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ultranos ([personal profile] ultranos) wrote2009-01-15 01:22 pm
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The Current Race Discussion and That Caught-in-the-Middle Feeling

(I don't know if I want this posted publicly, because I'm still not sure if this sounds like whining. But I need to get this off my chest. Help?)

ETA: After being assured that, hey, you're allowed to have your own perspective, I'm going to unlock this. Here's to hoping I don't regret this. Also, fixing spelling errors.

I saw [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong's link roundups of the current race discussion (here and here) and have been reading through them. Actually, let me be a little more honest: I first had to gather up my courage and then read them. Because I always get profoundly uncomfortable during race discussions.

And I was talking to [livejournal.com profile] abyssinia4077 last night about it and was finally able to articulate why I'm uncomfortable and confused. It's not that I want to make it "all about me" or my interactions and perspectives. Actually, it's, I'm sort of ashamed to say, the opposite:

It's never about me.

Because, you see, in these discussions about race and being Othered, I never see anything from the perspective of those of us who are painfully caught in the middle. Those of us who have a foot in two worlds on the race discussion. Those of us who get scrutinized in sandwich shops at the check-out line and asked "what are you?" Those of us who always have that little moment of grief and confusion whenever we fill out a form and are asked to check one box for "Race".

Yes, I'm talking about the mixed kids.

In the course of my life, I have been asked if I am Italian, Spanish, Latina, Hispanic, Turkish, and I'm probably missing some. My brother has been asked if he's related to Saddam Hussein. (Yes, I'm serious. I seriously hope the kid was joking, but I remember feeling like I'd been punched in the gut when my little brother told me this.) We don't fit into people's little boxes. We're not "brown" enough to be immediately put into one of those boxes, but at the same time, we're not "white" enough to be obviously white.

I was pathetically grateful and amazed when one of my professors this past term was the very first person to correctly identify what my cultural and ethnic background was, after I explained that my last name is Slovak. It was the first time in my life where I didn't have to awkwardly explain that I was a product of Imperialism at its best, and by god the sun really hasn't set on the British Empire.

Because that's what I am. My mother's family came from India to the British colony of Guyana as indentured servants. And in that melting pot of the British Empire's sugar cane fields, they began stripping away some of those cultural things in order to survive. And then, in the 1960s, there were race riots in the country and clinging to Indian culture was the equivalent of painting a target on your head. And when my mother went to college, she went to a school in Canada (all hail the British Commonwealth), where she was mocked by a professor because of her accent.

Meanwhile, on my dad's side, the Slovak language has died with my great-grandmother. I grew up with only scraps of that culture, all of which can almost be held within Christmas Eve dinner, and even that I see slowly slipping through my fingers. And it hurts.

And because it hurts, I can empathize so much with people when they talk about being Othered, about feeling the negative effects of white privilege. And at the same time, I feel horribly awkward and guilty, because that's half of me. Because I don't immediately draw stares or whatever when walking down the street. Because I can "pass" at a glance. I may not be carrying an invisible knapsack, but damned if I don't feel like I'm carrying at least a satchel. Because I feel that weight. Because I feel like a horrible liar and a fake when I let people assume. When I "pass". Whenever I have to decide to BE one or the other. Because it always feels like I have to choose which side I'm going to be on.

Because I'm the kid caught in the middle. I'm the person with a foot in two worlds and belonging to none, and a cultural orphan to boot. (And I can get on a soapbox about American cultural appropriation etc, and how American "culture" is sometimes a bad thing, but dammit, it's the only one I have.)

When [livejournal.com profile] shewhohashope wrote:

- There is no equivalence between the misrepresentation of Othered groups and the misreresentation of [insert white ethnicity]

No, really. It's about power imbalances and a dearth of decent representations. Think about five childhood heroes from novels that are the same race as you. I bet you can find more. Try to think about five that are South Asian. Arabic. Sub Saharan African? Call me back you're not drowning in decent representation of people who look like you.

I had a horrible moment of realization and it felt like a punch to the gut.

You see, I'm still trying to find one. Because there's never the story about the half-Slovak, half-Guyanese-Indian kid. Hell, let's be a little more broad: there's never the story about the half-Slavic, half-South Asian kid. Actually, I'm still trying to find the stories about the mixed kid in general. This is probably why I unconsciously clung to the half-Elven heroes in fantasy stories, because it was practically the closest I could get. Because at least there I got the cultural tug-of-war that IS being mixed.

And then there are those tiny little slaps that happen every time the rare mixed hero or heroine DOES grace the screen or print, and the comments come of how that character is "a cop-out". Mixed with white to be "more acceptable". How it isn't "really" a PoC. And how every single word just twists the dagger a little more.

Because I'm freaking invisible. Because I can't help but believe that some people would be a little more comfortable if people like me didn't exist. And I'm always afraid of these discussions on race to even speak up, because I'm afraid at best I'll get a pat on the head and at worst shoved aside and belittled because I "don't count".

And maybe they're right. Maybe they're not. I don't know. But it's been flying around, and I just needed to get this out because it's swirling in my head, and I DON'T NEED THIS on top of all these other identity issues I have right now.

[identity profile] ultranos-fic.livejournal.com 2009-01-18 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember learning at some vague point in time that the Spanish did create words to label children and groups of people that came out of their colonialism. I remember wishing English had similar words, because at least then I wouldn't have only the "Other" box to check, or the painfully awkward, verbal landmine-strewn conversation about what I actually am.

Of course, eventually, even those Spanish terms lost a lot of their shine as I learned the history of those terms and colonialism and Imperialism in general. The language of imperialism is a very tricky thing, because of the history the language is rooted in. And language is one of the most powerful tools we have in terms of how we think and how we interact. And when language fails us in a dialogue because we lack the terms to put ideas and concepts to, we run into this very problem.

[identity profile] ultranos-fic.livejournal.com 2009-01-18 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, that too. If you have to have a spokesperson, but don't even get to CHOOSE who that spokesperson is, yes, there is an inherent problem in that.

Also, because the media is bad at picking out spokespeople who don't undermine the issues.

So, yes. I'm sitting here and nodding a lot at you.

[identity profile] ultranos-fic.livejournal.com 2009-01-18 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Getting a handle on the words even for this was one of the hardest things about writing it. It's kind of amazing how much language fails.

[identity profile] metonymy.livejournal.com 2009-01-18 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes yes YES. I've had the language questioning and the self-questioning and a lot of what you describe. (The most entertaining was probably being asked questions in Italian when I visited Italy. At the time I was all "Yay, I don't look like an idiot backpacker!" but later I started to think about it. And yeah.)

Very well-written post and you've summed up a lot of what I've felt, even though my background's different. Thank you for unlocking this, because I otherwise wouldn't have encountered it (linked here by [livejournal.com profile] carlanime).

[identity profile] ultranos-fic.livejournal.com 2009-01-18 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad that you felt I summed up part of your experience. I was just sort of, well, writing and I know it's not universal (I am not that arrogant), but knowing that my experiences can reflect back on other people's makes me feel like I made the right call in unlocking it. That other people can take something from this and apply it to themselves, no matter what background they come from.
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[identity profile] shewhohashope.livejournal.com 2009-01-18 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this.

[identity profile] ultranos-fic.livejournal.com 2009-01-18 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for reading. And thank you for your entries, which I didn't comment on because I fail at comments. *facepalm*

[identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really glad you wrote this. I'm glad you wrote it because I learned from reading it, but far more importantly I'm glad you wrote it because you have every right to say it.

You do count.
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[personal profile] jjhunter 2009-01-19 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a great painting by Tatyana Fazlalizadeh that sums it all up pretty well:

Is he black enough?

Her online portfolio can be found here.
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[personal profile] jjhunter 2009-01-19 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Whoops--the title didn't come through: 'Is He 'Black' Enough?"

[identity profile] ultranos-fic.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh.

Thank you for the link.

[identity profile] ultranos-fic.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you.

[identity profile] halfeatenmoon.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Woo.

So, hi, I clicked onto metafandom yesterday and found an entire page of discussions about race and I honestly have no idea what STARTED this round of discussions, but there it is, and I'm glad something started it because I'm glad I read your post.

And, actually, I clicked on it because the excerpt they stuck on the metafandom delicious page mentioned filling in forms and checking a box for 'race' and I just went "WHAT?" Because I've never heard of or seen a form that has anything like that on it. (I'm from Australia.) (Well, except some official government paperwork that asks if you're Aboriginal or a Torres Strait Islander, but that's just because there are particular government benefit schemes for indigenous Australians.)

And, and, I don't really know what else to add. Just that I'm amazed that there's such a need to know somebody's race.

I do have forms that ask me to tick a box for 'gender' and sometimes I tick all of them. Or draw another box and write 'other'.
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[identity profile] goddess32585.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, I bounced off your post and it got me to post here (http://goddess32585.livejournal.com/196243.html) and um hey you're not alone?

[identity profile] jessiehl.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I hadn't read [livejournal.com profile] ultranos_fic before, just [livejournal.com profile] ultranos, but [livejournal.com profile] goddess32585 linked to this, and...it resonated with me.

I'm mostly white (where I am using "white" as shorthand for white-non-Hispanic), and I benefit from white privilege every day of my life. I was raised as what I'll call "culturally white". But I'm ~1/4 non-white (Sephardic (Hispanic) Jewish, with a small amount of Native American). And I still am not sure how to acknowledge and appreciate those parts of my heritage without coming off as a fake or as trivializing the experiences of PoC, especially since my "minority quantum" isn't even all one thing.

And then there's the whole weirdness-of-Ashkenazi-Jewish-racial-identity part, where Ashkenazim are generally considered to be white, but..."provisionally" might be the right word? "White with an asterisk." "White in some parts of the country." And the way that halfies are regarded in some Jewish circles, especially if they don't practice Judaism.

I bet there are plenty of works with the half-Jewish protagonist, but...there aren't even a lot of representations of ethnic Jews who are mixed Ashkenazi/Sephardi out there, let alone Ashkenazi/Sephardi/Welsh/English/Irish/Czech/German/Native American mixes.

I am worried that with this comment I am falling into the "Being [white ethnicity/white mutt] is just like being a PoC!" trap and hurting someone with my inarticulateness or carelessness, and if I have overstepped somewhere, I really and sincerely apologize. This entry resonated enough with my own identity issues that I felt compelled to comment, despite the fact that my own understanding is not quite worked out.

[identity profile] ultranos-fic.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
That's interesting to know that Australia doesn't have that. Because every. single. college. application I ever filled out had those boxes. And my driver's license. And my SATs and ACTs. And, well, lots of other official forms. The US seems to be obsessive about it.

It is a little ridiculous. And if you're caught in the middle, you're reminded of your lack of a category all the time.

[identity profile] ultranos-fic.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey you. :)

Always good to know I'm not alone.
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[identity profile] abyssinia4077.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
*nod nod*

I'm a "cashew" (mother's side Jewish, father's side Catholic, self-identify strongly as Jewish) and I can tell you that you are FAR from alone in that conundrum - what to do about being white but not quite and where these debates aren't about you but you don't know where your voice belongs.

I bet there are plenty of works with the half-Jewish protagonist,

Are there? I'm having a devil of a time coming up with even accurate representations of Jewish protagonists, not to mention half-Jewish (especially non-Holocaust representations) - and I mean ones where the character is actively Jewish, not just remembers their faith for the special Hanukah episode.

[and YES on the issues within Judaism. I have a friend who ID's as Jewish but wasn't raised overly Jewish and it's from her father's side and she's constantly wondering whether she really counts. And another friend whose mother was Ashkenazi and father was Sephardic and there was MASSIVE family drama when his parents got married. Not to mention my own family dealing with how to handle people who have married-in and converted)

So, yeah, just know you aren't flailing alone.

[identity profile] ultranos-fic.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I wanted to make sure [livejournal.com profile] abyssinia4077 posted to you before I jumped in. Because when I read your comment, I immediately went to her and went "Abyssis! Help! You can talk about this better than me!" :)

(And she's far too modest to do this herself, but seriously, Abyssis went over a lot of her personal flailings with this in this entry (http://abyssinia4077.livejournal.com/274444.html). It's a very enlightening read.)

And maybe it's just me, but I don't think you overstepped. The fact that you're wondering more about your identity and where you fit in these discussions on race (because often Jewish is the "white but not quite" and has other race implications, and I hope to god you or Abyssis smack me if I said something stupid) is as important as my ramblings trying to figure out where I fit in as multiracial.

[identity profile] jessiehl.livejournal.com 2009-01-19 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
"Cashew"...heh, that's a new one for me. I'm also Catholic/Jewish mix (though both parents were atheistic by the time I was born, as am I), but my father is the Jewish one. Which brings up a whole other set of issues, since the claims of patrilineals to their Jewish heritage are...not respected by everyone.

I was stalked in middle school by a friend, an Orthodox Jewish boy who I had saved repeatedly from being bullied, who had developed a weird fetish over my mixed status - I was transgressive, since I was a patrilineal and therefore "not Jewish", but because I had that Jewish half, I had all these wonderful qualities that were supposedly my Jewish blood coming out like intelligence and emotional depth (did I mention that this kid was something of a bigot?). I possibly still have some, erm, issues, about that.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty well-read on Jewish culture and history, and I'm teaching myself Ladino (hopefully Yiddish next).

Are there?

...now that you mentioned it, I can't think of any. It's common enough that I would have thought some protagonists would exist, but maybe not. For Jewish protagonists in non-Holocaust stories, I like Chaim Potok's novels.
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[identity profile] abyssinia4077.livejournal.com 2009-01-20 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, a friend introduced me to "cashew" and it stuck. My mom was raised very secularly Jewish (I identify as Jewish agnostic) and my dad has been an (I think atheistically) nothing since he moved out of his parent's house at 18. And, yeah, that whole deciding who's a Jew is stupidly complicated.

Ugh on the Orthodox boy and, yes, Jews are far from free of bigotry. I just met someone who was practically-orthodox who talked a lot about how Jews are better than everyone and being a Jew is harder and takes more work than other religions and had all these "facts" about Jews being smarter or more creative or more successful and how that PROVED we were the chosen, superior people and it made me rather sick.

...now that you mentioned it, I can't think of any. It's common enough that I would have thought some protagonists would exist, but maybe not. For Jewish protagonists in non-Holocaust stories, I like Chaim Potok's novels.

Man, I was hoping you'd introduce me to a treasure trove :)
That's what I realized when I was writing that post Ultranos linked you to - I have a really hard time thinking of non-Holocaust stories with Jewish protagonists, particularly any written by non-Jews. (and I like Potok and Singer and Sorkin has given us some good television examples but, look, Jewish creators). And for so many people, they were only exposed to Jewish history/people through Holocaust history/books/movies so all they really know of us is as victims.

[identity profile] jessiehl.livejournal.com 2009-01-20 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, I did think of a couple of half-Jewish protagonists. In the kids' sci-fi series Animorphs, the Animorphs' leader Jake Berenson (always my favorite character) and his cousin and fellow Animorph Rachel are both half-Jewish on their fathers' sides, though IIRC it's a while into the series before this is is revealed.

For television Jews, there's Susan Ivanova from Babylon 5. Some people also think that Spike Spiegel of Cowboy Bebop is at least ethnically Jewish (given that he has an Ashkenazi surname and carries an Israeli-made gun).

[identity profile] jessiehl.livejournal.com 2009-01-20 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
...because often Jewish is the "white but not quite" and has other race implications...

Yeah, and it gets even weirder when you start factoring in the Jewish ethnic groups. Ashkenazim are "white but not quite". Sephardim are Hispanic - they lived in Spain as part of Spanish society for more than 1500 years before getting the boot during the Inquisition - but not a Hispanic group that people recognize. And then you get other Jewish ethnic groups like the Mizrachim, and there's the fact that non-Ashkenazim are discriminated against within many Jewish communities, and the fact that in the US, non-Ashkenazim are often completely marginalized (relatively speaking, there aren't very many - 86% of US Jews are Ashkenazim) and their cultures unacknowledged/ignored both in and out of the Jewish community.

And, of course, as I mentioned, the whole halfie thing, and how some Jews would be angry at the idea of my identifying with my Jewish heritage...not because I'm an atheistic (there are tons of atheistic ethnic Jews, after all), but because the "wrong" one of my parents was Jewish. And there's the question of where my various non-Jewish heritage fits in.

Sometimes I think that trying to stake out an ethnic identity is more trouble than it's worth. :)

[identity profile] ultranos-fic.livejournal.com 2009-01-20 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
Good grief, that's complicated. And telling.

Sometimes I think that trying to stake out an ethnic identity is more trouble than it's worth. :)

Sometimes, it's soul-crushingly painful and frustrating. But sometimes, there are bright spots. :) The latter generally make it all worth it.

[identity profile] jessiehl.livejournal.com 2009-01-20 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, and also? The whole Israel thing. The extent to which I feel alienated by all the major "camps" that I come into contact with (as an ethnic Jew involved in liberal activism, as a dovish-but-pragmatic moderate on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, as a non-Zionist* who supports Israel's existence, though some aspects of its implementation have been, well, problematic) could be the subject of a very long rant. And complicating it even further is the atrocious way that Israel treats mixed families.

I get tired of being called a self-loathing Jew or the sad consequence of intermarriage by Jewish hawks, and of being told that I'm not a good anti-racist or that I'm brainwashed because I don't side unequivocally with the Palestinians all the time (or worse) by non-Jewish progressives. I was doing an internship in Europe during the Israel/Hezbollah war in 2006, and I got yelled at on the street by people who I guess decided that I looked Jewish, and I didn't even agree with the war (not that it would justify their behavior if I had)!

I have no idea of your politics, and I may be stepping into offensive territory here, but I had to rant about this, since it's weighed heavily on my mind and sense of identity in the last couple of weeks.

*Zionism rejects life in the Diaspora, and I do not. Modern Zionism promotes a sense of Jewish exclusivity that I do not agree with. However, I support some aspects of Zionism, such as fighting against anti-Semitism, and the existence of a homeland for those Jews who wish to live in it.

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